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		<title>By: FiG</title>
		<link>http://skrud.com/articles/2005/06/06/apples-on-intel/comment-page-1/#comment-576</link>
		<dc:creator>FiG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well said!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But, I think you&#8217;re a littlw too hard on INter based processors&#8230; No matter what you say about PPC&#8217;s being &#8220;smoother&#8221; or &#8220;faster&#8221;, it&#8217;s simply not true! Just because it&#8217;s NOT x86 based, doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s better in any way. Risc architechure is inherently flawed for personal computers. They&#8217;re wonderful for servers and high performance computers that do specific things, but PC&#8217;s (of all types) need to be able to handle many different programs and uses at a time. x86 instructions (with MMX, or whatever it uses) does actually help by giving compilers an extended instruction set!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Intel (and AMD) based processors are so vastly superiour to any other processors out there. I think that&#8217;s the MAIN reason Apple switched. They probably only went with PPC because they were hoping big blue would have enough clout to muscle it&#8217;s way into the processor market with a faster-than-intel processor; but it never happened.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said!</p>

<p>But, I think you&#8217;re a littlw too hard on INter based processors&#8230; No matter what you say about PPC&#8217;s being &#8220;smoother&#8221; or &#8220;faster&#8221;, it&#8217;s simply not true! Just because it&#8217;s NOT x86 based, doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s better in any way. Risc architechure is inherently flawed for personal computers. They&#8217;re wonderful for servers and high performance computers that do specific things, but PC&#8217;s (of all types) need to be able to handle many different programs and uses at a time. x86 instructions (with MMX, or whatever it uses) does actually help by giving compilers an extended instruction set!</p>

<p>Intel (and AMD) based processors are so vastly superiour to any other processors out there. I think that&#8217;s the MAIN reason Apple switched. They probably only went with PPC because they were hoping big blue would have enough clout to muscle it&#8217;s way into the processor market with a faster-than-intel processor; but it never happened.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Skrud</title>
		<link>http://skrud.com/articles/2005/06/06/apples-on-intel/comment-page-1/#comment-577</link>
		<dc:creator>Skrud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You&#8217;re right. There are some &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2436&amp;p=1&quot;&gt;benchmarks comparing the G5 and the Xeon and Opteron processors&lt;/a&gt; (you&#8217;ll find it falls flat next to the Opteron). The conclusion is that the G5 is fantastic for workstations, but not for servers&#8230;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Besides that - I have a G4.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Anyway, I like the PPC architecture. If you compile anything with Altivec vectorizing they&#8217;ll outperform pretty much anything. Unfortunately gcc isn&#8217;t all that great at it, apparently. But my mplayer is compiled with altivec enhancements and that&#8217;s all great for me. (Altivec &gt; MMX :P)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I was kind of hoping for another generation of PPC&#8217;s. Just one more – to kind of blow everyone away. I think the x86 architecture is reaching its limit with recent speed boosts being attributed to little more than better cooling systems. &#8220;Sure it can run at 4GHz, we just need a bigger fan!&#8221;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I would like to see a new breed of better, faster, higher-performance processors that are developed totally from scratch, using everything we&#8217;ve learned in the last 30 or so years of computing. I know they&#8217;ll break compatibility with all existing software and we&#8217;d have a bit of a rough start – but the sooner we do it the better. We can&#8217;t stay stuck using the same achitetcture that we&#8217;ve been using since 1974&#8230; and the longer we wait the harder the transition will be.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In conclusion: I think we should be moving progressively &lt;em&gt;away&lt;/em&gt; from x86, not &lt;em&gt;towards&lt;/em&gt; it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right. There are some <a href="http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2436&amp;p=1">benchmarks comparing the G5 and the Xeon and Opteron processors</a> (you&#8217;ll find it falls flat next to the Opteron). The conclusion is that the G5 is fantastic for workstations, but not for servers&#8230;</p>

<p>Besides that &#8211; I have a G4.</p>

<p>Anyway, I like the PPC architecture. If you compile anything with Altivec vectorizing they&#8217;ll outperform pretty much anything. Unfortunately gcc isn&#8217;t all that great at it, apparently. But my mplayer is compiled with altivec enhancements and that&#8217;s all great for me. (Altivec &gt; MMX :P)</p>

<p>I was kind of hoping for another generation of PPC&#8217;s. Just one more – to kind of blow everyone away. I think the x86 architecture is reaching its limit with recent speed boosts being attributed to little more than better cooling systems. &#8220;Sure it can run at 4GHz, we just need a bigger fan!&#8221;.</p>

<p>I would like to see a new breed of better, faster, higher-performance processors that are developed totally from scratch, using everything we&#8217;ve learned in the last 30 or so years of computing. I know they&#8217;ll break compatibility with all existing software and we&#8217;d have a bit of a rough start – but the sooner we do it the better. We can&#8217;t stay stuck using the same achitetcture that we&#8217;ve been using since 1974&#8230; and the longer we wait the harder the transition will be.</p>

<p>In conclusion: I think we should be moving progressively <em>away</em> from x86, not <em>towards</em> it.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Gill</title>
		<link>http://skrud.com/articles/2005/06/06/apples-on-intel/comment-page-1/#comment-578</link>
		<dc:creator>Gill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What bothers me about all this is that Apple hardware is no longer unique.  From now on &#8220;Apple&#8221; will just seem like another common PC manufacturer in the same boat as Dell or Compaq.  When I bought my imac G5, it was in part due to the fact that Apple had a small niche in the PC market.  I took it as a bit of a status symbol to be honest.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My main reason for purchasing a mac was still the OS and the software, but finding out that soon it will be available for the common Pentium based PC is a bit of a let down, especially considering the current price differences.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What bothers me about all this is that Apple hardware is no longer unique.  From now on &#8220;Apple&#8221; will just seem like another common PC manufacturer in the same boat as Dell or Compaq.  When I bought my imac G5, it was in part due to the fact that Apple had a small niche in the PC market.  I took it as a bit of a status symbol to be honest.</p>

<p>My main reason for purchasing a mac was still the OS and the software, but finding out that soon it will be available for the common Pentium based PC is a bit of a let down, especially considering the current price differences.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Martini</title>
		<link>http://skrud.com/articles/2005/06/06/apples-on-intel/comment-page-1/#comment-579</link>
		<dc:creator>Martini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry but just because the CPUs within Apple systems will be Intel-based rather than PPC does not mean OS X will be running on everyday PCs. Apple is not going to be battling MS for such a role. And Apple will not want to loose out on their hardware profits. You better believe Apple and Intel will be working something out to prevent PCs running OS X. Maybe a custom chipset or something&#8230; DRM&#8230; who knows.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;All the switch to intel means is that you&#8217;ll stil have OS X running on Apple systems, but the CPU behind it will be an x86.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;However, there&#8217;s always the possibility of running a hacked up system, using custom drivers and whatnot to get x86 running on your everyday PC, but I think it&#8217;ll be a couple years before anything close to that happens.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry but just because the CPUs within Apple systems will be Intel-based rather than PPC does not mean OS X will be running on everyday PCs. Apple is not going to be battling MS for such a role. And Apple will not want to loose out on their hardware profits. You better believe Apple and Intel will be working something out to prevent PCs running OS X. Maybe a custom chipset or something&#8230; DRM&#8230; who knows.</p>

<p>All the switch to intel means is that you&#8217;ll stil have OS X running on Apple systems, but the CPU behind it will be an x86.</p>

<p>However, there&#8217;s always the possibility of running a hacked up system, using custom drivers and whatnot to get x86 running on your everyday PC, but I think it&#8217;ll be a couple years before anything close to that happens.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Skrud</title>
		<link>http://skrud.com/articles/2005/06/06/apples-on-intel/comment-page-1/#comment-580</link>
		<dc:creator>Skrud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well we know that &lt;em&gt;now&lt;/em&gt; :P&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if it wasn&#8217;t too far down the line for Apple to run on commodity PCs. If they &lt;em&gt;did&lt;/em&gt; do such a thing &#8230; Microsoft is going to be in a lot of trouble.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well we know that <em>now</em> :P</p>

<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if it wasn&#8217;t too far down the line for Apple to run on commodity PCs. If they <em>did</em> do such a thing &#8230; Microsoft is going to be in a lot of trouble.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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